singhsa3
03-04 10:21 AM
Same letter sent to wall street journal and left a voicemail for one of the reporters.
Except the opening said:
We don�t claim that my proposition here will make the housing crisis go away or bring the economy out of recession. What I am proposing in this letter is to think out of box and let us make our share of contribution to the economy.
Except the opening said:
We don�t claim that my proposition here will make the housing crisis go away or bring the economy out of recession. What I am proposing in this letter is to think out of box and let us make our share of contribution to the economy.
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nawlinspoboys
09-28 09:39 AM
Well said Akhil. Its all about personal choice. But if you ask me USA rocks! I have lived in 6 states (south, north, midwest) in my 9 years of stay in USA..Never had a single problem with racism. All my bosses were fair and nice.... Even my university people were very friendly and accomodated me in their culture without hesitation. I see more racism and discrimination in India. We discriminate "big time" against our own back there. Plus back in India we have political unrest, communal tensions, riots, strikes..lot of uncertainities. Lets live in USA with pe@ce and make good life...
hiyer31
01-26 12:00 PM
What happened to all the thesis and discussions? i felt disgusted listening to the state of the union address. i completely am of the opinion that everybody deserves a chance even those who are here illegally. But there is something wrong with a country which wishes to cater to them to favor them who broke the laws then the who indian community which barely breaks laws and is probably the most god fearing and law fearing group of people in this country. We have 0 representation in this nation. Taxation without representation. All the social security and medicare taxes I will never probably get to use it. I wish we could all muster the courage to quit the jobs and leave this country and let every client and employer deal with the fallout. Unfortunately we cant. Since there are 10 others in line behind me who will willing become slaves for the little comfort they get. Life has become very frustrating.
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sri1309
09-12 08:25 PM
Guys,
Good to know the weather will be good, but even it is not, the spirit shouldnt die. I wish all realize this. I hope the weather is horrible and we all still make it to make the voice heard louder.,
Sri..
Good to know the weather will be good, but even it is not, the spirit shouldnt die. I wish all realize this. I hope the weather is horrible and we all still make it to make the voice heard louder.,
Sri..
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dpp
06-13 10:40 AM
I have seen this same footage months ago and to it don't look real, its cooked. Some facts there are just un-digestible like the gora guy will take job of a waiter immediately after working as senior exec. cmon market is not that bad unless he don't know anything else and don't have ability to get other similar job, then he should be fired anyways. and then that carlos guy, his dress up don't seems convincing that other execs will give me good response after presentation. its all cooked... showing 600k+ numbers are all bogus.
Yes, it doesn't look real. it is definitely cooked.
Yes, it doesn't look real. it is definitely cooked.
Green.Tech
03-05 05:16 PM
There should have been one more option -
5. I will be buying a house now since I am on H-1B, and also have a pending I-485 and approved EAD
There may be many like me who would vote for the above. But I guess this would probably be detrimental to what this poll is trying to achieve?
That is exactly what I mentioned in one of my previous posts in this thread...but it conveniently got ignored :)
5. I will be buying a house now since I am on H-1B, and also have a pending I-485 and approved EAD
There may be many like me who would vote for the above. But I guess this would probably be detrimental to what this poll is trying to achieve?
That is exactly what I mentioned in one of my previous posts in this thread...but it conveniently got ignored :)
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07-14 01:25 PM
http://www.dhs.gov/ximgtn/statistics/publications/LPR07.shtm
see te table 6 in that link.
see te table 6 in that link.
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akhilmahajan
09-28 08:51 AM
At the end of the day, its comes to ones preferences.
The way i look at, after spending so many years in states, its just hard to pack and move. Over the period of time, we make friends, we have familes and above all we invest the best years of our lives.
Pros and cons will be everywhere.
India no doubt has changed a lot. One can debate about the pros and cons the whole day. I dont think money is a problem in india any more. The economy is growing like anything and will keep on growing. No doubt about it.
I am sure folks who have spent 7-8 years in this country and are still trying to settle down, will love every oppurtunity to settle down here. Because this country is like our home now. We have given it everything. We have made sincere efforts in helping the American economy grow.
Even if we move to other countries, there is no gurantee we will be treated good. We have to start from scratch, make friends, earn peoples respect and trust.
Sometimes i feel sad when people talk about leaving the country, to whom they have given everything.
I will like to ask everyone one question.
Why not give one good shot at trying to fix the broken Employement-Based green card system? What are we all scared off? We never did anything wrong, so why do we need to leave the country?
Folks think about it.
I am sorry if i offended anyone, but this is what i feel.
I believe in fixing things then running away from them. Thats my take.
GO IV GO
TOGETHER WE CAN
The way i look at, after spending so many years in states, its just hard to pack and move. Over the period of time, we make friends, we have familes and above all we invest the best years of our lives.
Pros and cons will be everywhere.
India no doubt has changed a lot. One can debate about the pros and cons the whole day. I dont think money is a problem in india any more. The economy is growing like anything and will keep on growing. No doubt about it.
I am sure folks who have spent 7-8 years in this country and are still trying to settle down, will love every oppurtunity to settle down here. Because this country is like our home now. We have given it everything. We have made sincere efforts in helping the American economy grow.
Even if we move to other countries, there is no gurantee we will be treated good. We have to start from scratch, make friends, earn peoples respect and trust.
Sometimes i feel sad when people talk about leaving the country, to whom they have given everything.
I will like to ask everyone one question.
Why not give one good shot at trying to fix the broken Employement-Based green card system? What are we all scared off? We never did anything wrong, so why do we need to leave the country?
Folks think about it.
I am sorry if i offended anyone, but this is what i feel.
I believe in fixing things then running away from them. Thats my take.
GO IV GO
TOGETHER WE CAN
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jonty_11
07-11 04:20 PM
There is a lot of hurtburn among folks here abt a lot of things...Does that mean USCIS is going to cater to every case of heartburn. I dont think so.
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logiclife
12-20 07:55 PM
<If anything like out of status or unauthorized employed happened before your last legal entry into USA (whether is more than 180 days or less than 180 days) IT DOES NOT MATTER and you can adjust status. You are fine. What's important is that "out of status" and "unauthorized stay" periods must not happen after you last entered USA and after you filed your 485 - and if it does happen, then it should be less than 180 days.>
So, logiclife, going with your above statement, I don't have any problem with my adustment of status? My last legal entry to the U.S was Mar, 2006. I applied for AOS in July, 2007. Can you point to any USCIS memo/documents stating the above facts? I was out of status in the year 2001 (more than 180 days).
This is not based on any memo. Its in the immigration and nationality act. That is even better because it wont change without an act of congress. Its rock solid. Memos and field manual can be changed by USCIS and they dont need change in laws. To change or edit 245(k), you need change in laws, which needs an act of congress. So the whole thing is on rock solid grounds.
The section is 8 USC � 1255 (k). Also known as 245(k).
Here is how to find the text of 245(k) on USCIS website:
1. Go to USCIS.gov
2. Go to "Laws and Regulations" menu item on top menu.
3. Click on "Immigration and Nationality Act" on the left menu.
4. Click on the link that says "Immigration and Nationality Act" below the 2 paragraph lecture.
5. Scroll down to Chapter 5 and go to "Act 245". DONT GO to "Act 245A".
6. Under Act 245, go to section (k), the lowercase k.
You will read this :
(k) 7/ An alien who is eligible to receive an immigrant visa under paragraph (1), (2), or (3) of section 203(b) (or, in the case of an alien who is an immigrant described in section 101(a)(27)(C) , under section 203(b)(4) ) may adjust status pursuant to subsection (a) and notwithstanding subsection (c)(2), (c)(7), and (c)(8), if--
(1) the alien, on the date of filing an application for adjustment of status, is present in the United States pursuant to a lawful admission;
(2) the alien, subsequent to such lawful admission has not, for an aggregate period exceeding 180 days--
(A) failed to maintain, continuously, a lawful status;
(B) engaged in unauthorized employment; or
(C) otherwise violated the terms and conditions of the alien's admission.
Another link is here http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001255----000-.html
Go to (k) -lowercase k.
So, logiclife, going with your above statement, I don't have any problem with my adustment of status? My last legal entry to the U.S was Mar, 2006. I applied for AOS in July, 2007. Can you point to any USCIS memo/documents stating the above facts? I was out of status in the year 2001 (more than 180 days).
This is not based on any memo. Its in the immigration and nationality act. That is even better because it wont change without an act of congress. Its rock solid. Memos and field manual can be changed by USCIS and they dont need change in laws. To change or edit 245(k), you need change in laws, which needs an act of congress. So the whole thing is on rock solid grounds.
The section is 8 USC � 1255 (k). Also known as 245(k).
Here is how to find the text of 245(k) on USCIS website:
1. Go to USCIS.gov
2. Go to "Laws and Regulations" menu item on top menu.
3. Click on "Immigration and Nationality Act" on the left menu.
4. Click on the link that says "Immigration and Nationality Act" below the 2 paragraph lecture.
5. Scroll down to Chapter 5 and go to "Act 245". DONT GO to "Act 245A".
6. Under Act 245, go to section (k), the lowercase k.
You will read this :
(k) 7/ An alien who is eligible to receive an immigrant visa under paragraph (1), (2), or (3) of section 203(b) (or, in the case of an alien who is an immigrant described in section 101(a)(27)(C) , under section 203(b)(4) ) may adjust status pursuant to subsection (a) and notwithstanding subsection (c)(2), (c)(7), and (c)(8), if--
(1) the alien, on the date of filing an application for adjustment of status, is present in the United States pursuant to a lawful admission;
(2) the alien, subsequent to such lawful admission has not, for an aggregate period exceeding 180 days--
(A) failed to maintain, continuously, a lawful status;
(B) engaged in unauthorized employment; or
(C) otherwise violated the terms and conditions of the alien's admission.
Another link is here http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001255----000-.html
Go to (k) -lowercase k.
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praveenuppaluri
03-11 11:20 PM
after all the hype and tensions running high among IVans....
EB2 no change and EB3 moved by 3 months - so much for spillovers..
and the article in the OP message starts as "We are pleased to announce the April 2010 cut-off dates ...." damnn.. sure they are pleased with themselves.. :mad:
EB2 no change and EB3 moved by 3 months - so much for spillovers..
and the article in the OP message starts as "We are pleased to announce the April 2010 cut-off dates ...." damnn.. sure they are pleased with themselves.. :mad:
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dilbert_cal
03-20 02:36 AM
Moral of this thread :-
All Desi Consulting companies are Fraud
which in turn implies
All Desis are Fraud. <---- Nope , Will Not say that because it includes Me :-)
alright, let me try again
All Consulting companies are Fraud <--- But hey there are so many which are not Fraud
Hmmmm, Confused. Alright, Did I hear there are exceptions. No, my dear. We got it the wrong way here. Fact is
Some Consulting Companies Do Subvert the Law and/or take Advantage of folks on H1. *
One or more of them are owned by Indians. ( commonly called desi by Indians )
One or more of them are not owned by Indians.
Where does the More End ? A small percentage, a big chunk, average ??? There is no study which has been done on the same. We all see it in the perception we hold. And when it comes to negativity, we tend to exaggerate. ( Or maybe we dont and I've a wrong perception )
* Non-consulting companies also do take advantage of H1b folks if possible - dont think I've to give examples of the same.
I dont work for a desi company. But I've quite a few friends who work for Desi firms - most of them are happy and have been treated nice and fair. A small number had issues. This is my experience. Certainly not something which makes me identify with the rest of the sentiments.
As per Logiclife, unpaid period on bench is a certainty. No my dear. Thats an exaggeration.
How many of us..................
Well, I thought of writing more but who am I telling this to and why ?
Rants over - time to get back to my life. I've got something else to finish which I know will bring me more flames but possibly help this organization too and that matters more. Flame me as much as you want to for being the odd man out in the thread ( there are others too - not that I'm the only one ) but possibly I wont even come back to this thread to read the flames :-)
All Desi Consulting companies are Fraud
which in turn implies
All Desis are Fraud. <---- Nope , Will Not say that because it includes Me :-)
alright, let me try again
All Consulting companies are Fraud <--- But hey there are so many which are not Fraud
Hmmmm, Confused. Alright, Did I hear there are exceptions. No, my dear. We got it the wrong way here. Fact is
Some Consulting Companies Do Subvert the Law and/or take Advantage of folks on H1. *
One or more of them are owned by Indians. ( commonly called desi by Indians )
One or more of them are not owned by Indians.
Where does the More End ? A small percentage, a big chunk, average ??? There is no study which has been done on the same. We all see it in the perception we hold. And when it comes to negativity, we tend to exaggerate. ( Or maybe we dont and I've a wrong perception )
* Non-consulting companies also do take advantage of H1b folks if possible - dont think I've to give examples of the same.
I dont work for a desi company. But I've quite a few friends who work for Desi firms - most of them are happy and have been treated nice and fair. A small number had issues. This is my experience. Certainly not something which makes me identify with the rest of the sentiments.
As per Logiclife, unpaid period on bench is a certainty. No my dear. Thats an exaggeration.
How many of us..................
Well, I thought of writing more but who am I telling this to and why ?
Rants over - time to get back to my life. I've got something else to finish which I know will bring me more flames but possibly help this organization too and that matters more. Flame me as much as you want to for being the odd man out in the thread ( there are others too - not that I'm the only one ) but possibly I wont even come back to this thread to read the flames :-)
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boreal
08-22 01:36 AM
I am not sure why you guys are so harsh when someone is asking for guidance and help. If you have lot of time please go after the antis...there are lot of websites to rant your farustartion. If you can not give any useful information...please refrain from posting. It just gives very bad light.
Advising someone who is clearly illegal and to top it, feels entitled to a Green card, you guys are giving quite a lot of fodder to the same antis...so please stop this as well!
Advising someone who is clearly illegal and to top it, feels entitled to a Green card, you guys are giving quite a lot of fodder to the same antis...so please stop this as well!
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sodh
07-24 10:44 PM
I was on OPT but my I140 has a different number than the one on my OPT.
They are talking about Allien#.
They are talking about Allien#.
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nitinboston
04-09 04:19 PM
Dear Mrs. Hillary Clinton
Heartfelt thanks for making such an effort to answer consumer grievances. My Admiration for this administration and their efforts to improve communication is growing exponentially every day. God Bless you and God Bless America.
We are wringing these questions in effort to understand the VISA allocation processes followed by DOS. Also how it affects effectively petitioners live to plan their future, travel, Buying house etc...
1.0) Is IVACS primary application for tracking VISA requests from USCIS, Consular posts?
Rationale: Any Software/Application used by DOS should be single source for data entry of all the new application.
1.1) Does IVACS system (DOS�s Inventory system) connects electronically to USCIS system, Consular posts or NVC or any other agencies for VISA demand requests?
Rationale: Any Software/Application used by DOS need talk to Client System (USCIS, Consular posts, NVC or other agencies) every month system for effectively moving VISA bulletin every month.
1.2) In Absence of Interface � Does IVACS system receive VISA demand sent manually through flat file or spreadsheet?
Rationale: In absence of electronic interface DOS need to manually receive data for effectively predicting VISA bulletin every month.
2.0) How many Employment-based I485 VISA demands are pending at USCIS, NVC, Consular posts?
Rationale: We are trying to get Employment based pending applications.
3.0) IS this last Pending EmploymentDemandUsedForCutOffDates.pdf on 4/8/2010 - http://www.travel.state.gov/pdf/EmploymentDemandUsedForCutOffDates.pdf includes all the Employment based I485 VISA demand?
Rationale: We are trying to confirm data received are all inclusive.
4.0) Can DOS Enhance/publish table for �total number of VISA available�� as on report preparation date, rather than total Fiscal availability. As per table showed below,
Rationale: This will help applicants to estimate date of approval and plan for buying house, make major move etc.
Preference China Demand India Demand Maxico Philippines ROW Worldwide limit
Beginning Demand Allocated this month End Demand Allocated this fiscal Beginning Demand Allocated this month End Demand Allocated this fiscal Beginning Demand Allocated this month End Demand Allocated this fiscal Beginning Demand Allocated this month End Demand Allocated this fiscal Beginning Demand Allocated this month End Demand Allocated this fiscal
E1
E2
E3
E4
E5
5.0) Can DOS generate monthly VISA returns report from USCIS, NVC, Consular posts or any other agencies that demands Employment VISA?
Rationale: This will help us understand how much visa were available for reallocation.
6.0) INA section Sec 201 (2) mentions usages of visa per �Calendar Quarter� with maximum limit of 27% per quarter. As EB2 & EB3 categories are retro gassed Are Minimum 140k/4 Visa's consumed every quarter? If no which section of INA being applied to not to do so?
Rationale: To understand DOS�s interpretation and application of the law.
7.0) Where we can find DOS published monthly EB/FB permanent residency VISA demand report with country of chargeability, Employment based category (for e.g. EB1, EB2, EB3, �), similar to report published by DOL.
Rationale: This will help applicants to estimate date of approval and plan for buying house, make major move etc.
8.0) What is rational of EB3-India Visa allocation only approximately 100 a month? We feel that before EB3-I become unavailable it should get 140*7%*28.6% = 2802/12 VISA�s every month. EB3-I VISA reductions from Inventory reports before their Priority Date is as follows,
a) Between Inventory Published 03/12/10 & 01/30/10 = 100
b) Between Inventory Published between 01/30/10 & 04/08/10 = 100
Rationale: This will help EB3 applicants to estimate date of approval to plan their future for house Purchase or major move etc.
9.0) How do you propose to reconcile the pending data reported by DOS and USCIS.
We are Comparing data from two sources USCIS published pending inventory and DOS published monthly determination, And we have Found data Differences for following categories,
USCIS Pending for EB3-China as on March 08, 2010 === 5,575
DOS Pending for EB3-China as on March 01, 2010 === 8,900
Rationale: Closing gap in case of data error.
References:
i. EmploymentDemandUsedForCutOffDates.pdf - http://www.travel.state.gov/pdf/EmploymentDemandUsedForCutOffDates.pdf
ii. Operation of the Numerical Control Process - http://www.travel.state.gov/pdf/Immigrant%20Visa%20Control%20System_operation%20of .pdf
Dude i must say, it must have taken a huge effort to come up with all this. But guess what, it wont make a dent. There are way too many Indians, Chinese and Mexicans in line and too few GC's to give out.
Heartfelt thanks for making such an effort to answer consumer grievances. My Admiration for this administration and their efforts to improve communication is growing exponentially every day. God Bless you and God Bless America.
We are wringing these questions in effort to understand the VISA allocation processes followed by DOS. Also how it affects effectively petitioners live to plan their future, travel, Buying house etc...
1.0) Is IVACS primary application for tracking VISA requests from USCIS, Consular posts?
Rationale: Any Software/Application used by DOS should be single source for data entry of all the new application.
1.1) Does IVACS system (DOS�s Inventory system) connects electronically to USCIS system, Consular posts or NVC or any other agencies for VISA demand requests?
Rationale: Any Software/Application used by DOS need talk to Client System (USCIS, Consular posts, NVC or other agencies) every month system for effectively moving VISA bulletin every month.
1.2) In Absence of Interface � Does IVACS system receive VISA demand sent manually through flat file or spreadsheet?
Rationale: In absence of electronic interface DOS need to manually receive data for effectively predicting VISA bulletin every month.
2.0) How many Employment-based I485 VISA demands are pending at USCIS, NVC, Consular posts?
Rationale: We are trying to get Employment based pending applications.
3.0) IS this last Pending EmploymentDemandUsedForCutOffDates.pdf on 4/8/2010 - http://www.travel.state.gov/pdf/EmploymentDemandUsedForCutOffDates.pdf includes all the Employment based I485 VISA demand?
Rationale: We are trying to confirm data received are all inclusive.
4.0) Can DOS Enhance/publish table for �total number of VISA available�� as on report preparation date, rather than total Fiscal availability. As per table showed below,
Rationale: This will help applicants to estimate date of approval and plan for buying house, make major move etc.
Preference China Demand India Demand Maxico Philippines ROW Worldwide limit
Beginning Demand Allocated this month End Demand Allocated this fiscal Beginning Demand Allocated this month End Demand Allocated this fiscal Beginning Demand Allocated this month End Demand Allocated this fiscal Beginning Demand Allocated this month End Demand Allocated this fiscal Beginning Demand Allocated this month End Demand Allocated this fiscal
E1
E2
E3
E4
E5
5.0) Can DOS generate monthly VISA returns report from USCIS, NVC, Consular posts or any other agencies that demands Employment VISA?
Rationale: This will help us understand how much visa were available for reallocation.
6.0) INA section Sec 201 (2) mentions usages of visa per �Calendar Quarter� with maximum limit of 27% per quarter. As EB2 & EB3 categories are retro gassed Are Minimum 140k/4 Visa's consumed every quarter? If no which section of INA being applied to not to do so?
Rationale: To understand DOS�s interpretation and application of the law.
7.0) Where we can find DOS published monthly EB/FB permanent residency VISA demand report with country of chargeability, Employment based category (for e.g. EB1, EB2, EB3, �), similar to report published by DOL.
Rationale: This will help applicants to estimate date of approval and plan for buying house, make major move etc.
8.0) What is rational of EB3-India Visa allocation only approximately 100 a month? We feel that before EB3-I become unavailable it should get 140*7%*28.6% = 2802/12 VISA�s every month. EB3-I VISA reductions from Inventory reports before their Priority Date is as follows,
a) Between Inventory Published 03/12/10 & 01/30/10 = 100
b) Between Inventory Published between 01/30/10 & 04/08/10 = 100
Rationale: This will help EB3 applicants to estimate date of approval to plan their future for house Purchase or major move etc.
9.0) How do you propose to reconcile the pending data reported by DOS and USCIS.
We are Comparing data from two sources USCIS published pending inventory and DOS published monthly determination, And we have Found data Differences for following categories,
USCIS Pending for EB3-China as on March 08, 2010 === 5,575
DOS Pending for EB3-China as on March 01, 2010 === 8,900
Rationale: Closing gap in case of data error.
References:
i. EmploymentDemandUsedForCutOffDates.pdf - http://www.travel.state.gov/pdf/EmploymentDemandUsedForCutOffDates.pdf
ii. Operation of the Numerical Control Process - http://www.travel.state.gov/pdf/Immigrant%20Visa%20Control%20System_operation%20of .pdf
Dude i must say, it must have taken a huge effort to come up with all this. But guess what, it wont make a dent. There are way too many Indians, Chinese and Mexicans in line and too few GC's to give out.
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02-13 02:09 PM
Can someone tell me how to close this thread.
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10-27 03:10 PM
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trueguy
07-03 05:50 PM
Everyone,
Can we stick to the subject please?
Where is the online petition and how soon can we collect all the signature so they can help in getting those three bills approved.
Thanks
Can we stick to the subject please?
Where is the online petition and how soon can we collect all the signature so they can help in getting those three bills approved.
Thanks
abd
09-21 04:01 PM
How many days it took you to receive physical RFE after Online status update?
Thanks
I got RFE status change on September 2nd and my attorney recieved it on 7th Tuesday. It was long weekend.
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I got RFE status change on September 2nd and my attorney recieved it on 7th Tuesday. It was long weekend.
ArkBird
04-06 07:25 PM
Again, What was POE?
Sure I will give the link..
I know its not fake..because I have 3 people on our floor who came from a visit..who saw these kind of things happening right in front of them (and my friends were GCs so I guess they themselves were left alone).
Now coming to point of posting their experiences themselves..especially in a situation where they were not allowed to enter US, I dont think they have any incentive left to post and seek help from fellow IV..once they are out they are out..
Nothing can bring them back unless they file a new petition and go for stamping..
I can imagine how much pain they might be going through, touchwood if I was to be one ofthem, I dont see myself posting my experience for 3 months or so..
its a different case where someone is inside US and they face a problem, yeah..why not they post straight away, but this is a different territory..we can only expect them to post, its not going to happen or may be rare case.
Sure I will give the link..
I know its not fake..because I have 3 people on our floor who came from a visit..who saw these kind of things happening right in front of them (and my friends were GCs so I guess they themselves were left alone).
Now coming to point of posting their experiences themselves..especially in a situation where they were not allowed to enter US, I dont think they have any incentive left to post and seek help from fellow IV..once they are out they are out..
Nothing can bring them back unless they file a new petition and go for stamping..
I can imagine how much pain they might be going through, touchwood if I was to be one ofthem, I dont see myself posting my experience for 3 months or so..
its a different case where someone is inside US and they face a problem, yeah..why not they post straight away, but this is a different territory..we can only expect them to post, its not going to happen or may be rare case.
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